Dec 6, 2013 5:00pm PST
defense. what did that nexus look like? >> it's good that you put it that way, anti-anti-apartheid because that's exactly what these people were. they would never actually come out and try to rationalize apartheid or try to sell apartheid to an american audience. i mean, that basically couldn't be done. but there were plenty of conservatives that had other ways of rationalizing it, the other one being the cold war, right? south africa was surrounded by hostile countries. if you asked a south african government to describe its enemies, p would always say they're communists. everyone surrounding us is a communist, you know. the anc is communist. and we've got to, you know, to struggle to defeat communism. in fact, it was an interesting country, you know, the apartheid regime. in some ways they were -- you know, they had this vision of the world as a gigantic communist conspiracy that was very familiar to a lot of american conservatives. >> i want to look at -- congresswoman, i want to read this headline, they put this up today. this was kind of an ab amazing revelation that came out in 1995.
Dec 5, 2013 8:00pm PST
of defense, wonderful public servant, had served under seven presidents. when i first came in i asked him, so bob, you've got any advice for me? he said, mr. president, just understand you get a lot of people working for you. somebody somewhere at this very moment is screwing something up. and those true. so i -- so i have to consistently push on every cabinet secretary, on every single agency, how can we do things better and we can do things better. part of what we can do is reorganize the government which was designed in 1935 or 1945. we can consolidate agencies. buying information technologies. you know, how we make ourselves more customer friendly. those are all things that we can improve. but the upshot is the government still does a lot of good and the last point i'll make on this is, you know, we've had a politic, frankly, the entire republican party since reagan has been government's the problem. and if you day after day, week after week, election after election are running on that platform and that permeates our culture and it's picked up by ordinary citizens who grow skeptical, then